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Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el
Reply #10 - 30.03.17 at 20:31:00
 
Good to hear it is fixed.

Should the starter motor ever fail don't hesitate to replace it with a four pole motor. It is a huge improvement.

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Reply #11 - 06.04.17 at 10:36:35
 
Well I went for a ride yesterday and found that the earth lead modification has not solved the starting problem. I still seem a sticky starter motor.

I found this on Ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302243100927?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

My question is will this fit my TR1?  If not can someone offer a ebay link to a starter motor that will fit?

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Reply #12 - 06.04.17 at 11:31:49
 
Hi, from my view it should fit. It has the "long" shaft, and if you refer to the Manufacturers partnumber listed it includes "5A8" - which is the manufacturer code for XV1000 TR1.
But - before you buy a new starter Motor please consider the following: you mention that the bike just klicks, in the area shown on first pic on top of this discussion. Question: does the lever shown on the pic  move? about 10mm or more? This indicates that the solenoid works mechanically to engage the starter gears inside. If it just clicks but does not move, I would suggest the solenoid does not work properly, maybe because of missing ground connection. Other funtion of solenoid is to bridge the two thick wires coming from battery and going to the starter, to give battery power to the starter. Next question: while trying to start, is there any noise indicating that the starter spins without turning the engine or just the click? If there is no "spinning" noise two Options are possible: starter does not work and should be replaced or fixed, or solenoid does not bridge the two thick wires. This can be tested by bridging the two wires, or giving direct battery power to the starter Motor. If the starter Motor spins - it's the solenoid which should be replaced. If the starter Motor does not spin, it's the starter Motor.

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Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el
Reply #13 - 06.04.17 at 12:01:35
 
We had this recently with the TR1 of a friend. Solenoid clicked and the lever moved but the starter motor did not spin. We pressed and held the start button and bridged the two thick cables at the solenoid with a large screwdriver, and the engine started fine. -> Solenoid broken.

 
 

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Reply #14 - 06.04.17 at 12:55:46
 
Thanks Jurgen , hornschorsch- I will check again this afternoon but from what I remember Solenoid clicked and the lever moved but the starter motor did not spin like hornschorsch says, so it looks like solenoid is broken. Are new solenoids available?  

 
 
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Reply #15 - 07.04.17 at 09:14:22
 
Hello UKTR1,
New solenoids are avialable, but very expensive. With a Little modification the solenoid from Suzuki Vitara or Swift will fit.. We have had some Threads about it here.

 
 

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Reply #16 - 23.04.17 at 15:25:39
 
Still I have problems starting my TR1. This time I used a second solenoid and this acts in the same way as the first solenoid.

Here is a youtube movie https://youtu.be/Va-t9EK8gv8

Still only clicking and move around 10mm but the starter does not spin or even make a sound. This was a used solenoid so it is possible thst it is faulty too. I am also using a second starter motor trying to solve the problem.

so now maybe the solenoid is wired incorrectly (but I do not think so) so I have added a photo. does the solenoid earth, that goes to the starter go on the top or bottom pole in the photo?

Gears inside the casing do not look worn and the starter bendix works correctly


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Reply #17 - 24.04.17 at 09:45:55
 
Hi UKTR1,
if I remember right, the bottom one goes to the starter. top one comes from battery. However, the clip shows that the solenoid is working correct - mechanically. What about "bridging" the two thick wires? Did you check this? Can be done by bridging the thick bolts on the Solenoid with a screwdriver as described already earlier somewhere above in this thread by hornschorsch. Bridging the contacts should make the starter motor spin, even without ignition switched on, or pressing the start button, as this gives battery power directly to the starter. If the starter motor does not spin the issue is with the starter motor, not with the solenoid.

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Reply #18 - 24.04.17 at 09:55:22
 
Thank you for your reply Jurgen. I did briefly try bridging the solenoid but just had lots of sparks and not starter turning. I will try again. I thought that the solenoid also should trigger the starter when clicking. This situation happened even with another starter although both starters are old.

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Reply #19 - 24.04.17 at 13:26:03
 
Rick,
you are right, the solenoid should trigger the starter. bridging the solenoid is the check, simulating a working solenoid. If this also does not work, I suggest the starter is failing. For test only, connect the starter directly to battery to see whether it turns. If it does not - starter is the issue. If it turns - I have no idea what else to test.

Jürgen

 
 

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