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UKTR1 Ex Member	Starter or battery problem, maybe something else? 28.03.17 at 20:34:47 Hello, I seem to have a problem that I cannot decide what it is, most of the time my TR1 xv1000 starts fine but recently it just makes a click noise. I have added a photo to show what clicks. I took bike to the garage for the MOT (road safety test) bike started fine and rode good. when I went to collect the bike it would not start, just clicking, the battery was fully charged before I went there. I am pretty sure the battery is good after 24hr take off the charger it still shows 12.9v. any ideas what it could be?
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Ali TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 1279 Bike: TR 1	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #1 - 28.03.17 at 21:06:08 The solenoid -which is shown on your Photo- has two coils inside. One is activated by pushing the knob -via the small wire connected to the solenoid- and the lever push and click for a tenth of a second . Under normal circumstances then the other coil - fed by the big wire should be activated and push the lever the whole way and connect the starter to turn.. Electric magnetism is a nice thing, Mr.Faraday told us. In most cases it is the Starter that is malfunctioning, if there is only a click-noise. The solenoid needs the high-power from the starter for function. Check the Brushes on the right side of the starter. The best thing to do is buying a new 4-brushes Starter, they are not expensive via ebay and they work fine. Of course your solenoid may have a malfunktion, but i experienced that it´s in most cases the starter that causes the Problem, Regards Ali

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UKTR1 Ex Member	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #2 - 29.03.17 at 00:16:22 Thanks Ali, I have seen Arrowhead starters on Ebay but I wasn't sure if they were 4 brush. I will ask the seller. Thanks again
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Gredner TR1 Board God Member Posts: 802 Gender: Bike: Tr1, ´81, grün	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #3 - 29.03.17 at 09:13:53 Hello UKTR1, you can use the starter from the XV1000 Virago, it fit´s plug and Play, and it´s a 4brush model. Only the big wire to the Solenoid must be changed.
	Gruß Karsten
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hornschorsch TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 2884 Gender: Bike: TR1, SR500, XJ650-Turbo, RD350-YPVS, R[DG]500	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #4 - 29.03.17 at 09:19:58 Ali, i am not sure if you are absolutely right. Afaiu the solenoid has one coil that gets power (+12V) via the small wire if you push the startbutton, and it gets gets ground (-) via the start motor. I can emagine that this construction should make the starter turn slightly with the solenoid as a resostor if you push the button, which makes the gear wheel engage easier. When the wheels are angaged and the solenoid closes the connection of the big wire, the starter gets power and should turn. If the start motor is broken (soldering of the collector melted out) the solenoid does not click anymore. I know this from my own experience So i believe the solenoid is stuck or the contacts within it are burned and do not close the connection reliably. Correct me if i am wrong.
	Gruss, Schorsch Fahrt so schnell ihr könnt, so lange ihr noch könnt! (Uli Peil im XJ-Forum) Das Ding ist völlig unnötig! (Roel im TR1-Forum)
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UKTR1 Ex Member	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #5 - 29.03.17 at 09:26:35 Gredner the starter from the XV1000 Virago what year model will fit? or will all XV1000 Virago starters fit? Thank you for all your replies
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Ali TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 1279 Bike: TR 1	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #6 - 29.03.17 at 11:59:44 There are 2 different Models, one for XV 750 and some Viragos with a short shaft, one with a longer one . For the TR1 you need the one with the longer shaft. Sometimes i experienced a Problem fitting the Starter-clutch on to the (new)shaft, so i took off the shaft of the old starter and put it into the new one. I presume this will work the same when you have a short shaft model, and want to modify it for a TR, it is not very complex work. @Georg: es gibt meistens eine Einzugswicklung und eine Haltewicklung, siehe auch hier: http://www.kfz-tech.de/Biblio/Batterie_Generator/Magnetschalter.htm jedenfalls wenns klickt ist meist der Magnetschalter in Ordnung. Ich habe den M-Schalter aber noch nie komplett zerlegt, deswegen: alles Vermutung, Gruß Ali

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Gredner TR1 Board God Member Posts: 802 Gender: Bike: Tr1, ´81, grün	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #7 - 29.03.17 at 12:31:55 Sorry UKTR1, Imade a mistake! Ididn´t mean XV1000, the XV1100 starter fits. The item numbers are the same. I use it for more the 20 years. My starter fitted plug and play.
	Gruß Karsten
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hornschorsch TR1 Board Extraterrestrial Member Posts: 2884 Gender: Bike: TR1, SR500, XJ650-Turbo, RD350-YPVS, R[DG]500	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #8 - 29.03.17 at 15:17:19 Ali, ich hatte schonmal einen ausgelöteten Kollektor, da klickte auch der Magnetschalter nicht mehr. Ich hab dann noch versucht, mit der Nuss und einer Verlängerung, ob vielleicht nur das kurze dicke Kabel das vom Magnetschalter zum Starter geht, locker oder korrodiert ist. Mit der Nuss auf der Mutter kam ich mit der Verlängerung an den Krümmer, da klickte es auf einmal wieder weil der Schalter dann über die Nuss und Verlängerung Masse bekam. Der Anlasser drehte natürlich trotzdem nicht, dafür bruzzelte es lustig am Krümmer... Ich hatte auch schon einen nur klickenden Schalter, da lags am Schalter. Den alten hatte ich noch aufgemacht, weiss aber auch nicht mehr wie der innen aussah... Also imho hilft hier ein neuer Anlasser nicht. Wenn auch die 4K-Anlasser besser sind
	Gruss, Schorsch Fahrt so schnell ihr könnt, so lange ihr noch könnt! (Uli Peil im XJ-Forum) Das Ding ist völlig unnötig! (Roel im TR1-Forum)
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UKTR1 Ex Member	Re: Starter or battery problem, maybe something el Reply #9 - 30.03.17 at 16:45:59 I watched a few youtube videos and added another earth strap as explained here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ZIHGhgyc8 I routed directly under the clutch housing using the wire clamps that are already there. it seems an easy, simple idea but I tried it and now the starter is fine.
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