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PaLa
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Oil leak(s)
23.11.14 at 21:28:34
 
Hi all,
My TR1 it almost worse than the British bikes of the 50tie's
It is pretty frustrating when the bike is very nice otherwise but then after a couple hours of riding the engine looks BAD - in particular underneath!
I can't quite figure out what or which are the leaking points but there seem to be oil also around the rear cylinder. It is all wet just below the head  (but the leak does NOT seem to be the head gasket).
Please advise - are there any specific points where TR1 usually leaks?

Only about 50 k km on the clock and otherwise as new!

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Pauli


 
 
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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #1 - 23.11.14 at 23:03:31
 
Hi there,

check the threads of the valve adjustment covers, they tend to work loos and then (of course) don't seal properly anymore. Try dusting the engine up with some flour or talc (whatever you have handy), after cleaning it and then go for a ride. The dust will point you towards the leaky spot.

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Reply #2 - 24.11.14 at 15:27:14
 
Hello Pauli

I have found that the chain tensioner cover can also cause a problem and can leak.

Also the previous owner had changed the retaining bolts from mild to stainless steel and they were fractionally longer. The cam adjustment and chain tensioner covers appeared to be bolted down firmly but they weren't.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #3 - 24.11.14 at 22:35:06
 
Thanks guys,
Need to check those points but it may need to wait a few months! Can't see many bikes on the road this time of the year! There's a reason or two! embarrassed

I've also read that if there is too much oil (what ever amount this meas) the engine might just 'throw' the excess amount out which in turn might look like oil leak. I have indeed been adding oil but this is due to the behaviour of the oil level indicator!
If I start the engine and the bike is on the side stand the red light is on all the time. Also, when I take off and the weather )or engine) is not warm I ride something like one mile before the light is off! So, I've been adding some oil. At the same time however, I find that the (stupid little) window shows that the oil level should be OK!
Is there any difference which oil should be used or rather is the best - or, which oil(s) should be avoided?
Pauli

 
 
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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #4 - 25.11.14 at 09:51:56
 
The oil warning light can be ignored. Put the machine on the centre stand and fill up oil so that the oil window is nearly full. Use 15w40 mineralic oil. But i don't think that too much oil is the cause of your problem. Probably the camshaftchaintunnelgasket (i dont know if its called so in englisch) is worn.

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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #5 - 28.11.14 at 11:23:42
 
Hello Pauli

The oil level indicator is notoriously unreliable.

As stated above you rely on the window. Place your bike on the centre stand and fill up to the mark. When you start the engine all the oil should disappear from the window that is normal.

You can remove the oil level switch and clean it. I found that its operation can become sticky. Remove it and flush in petrol. It won't get rid of the problem entirely but it can improve it slightly.

I have found that the situation gets worse with heavier oil. For me the symptoms appear when I accelerate hard or travel uphill the oil level light comes on. If I brake or go downhill the light turns off. Also when the oil warms up the problem goes away.

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Reply #6 - 03.01.15 at 23:38:22
 
I have a small leak on mine. It is from the front of the front cylinder, and drips down onto the exhaust causing clouds of smoke which is a bit embarrassing at petrol stations...

I think it comes from the cam chain cover(?). Is it safe to take this off? I have a Haynes manual and I wasn't sure if taking this off would slacken off the chain. I was considering undoing the bolts, cleaning them and maybe putting some gasket sealant on?

 
 
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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #7 - 03.01.15 at 23:43:03
 
If it's not the cam-chain adjuster, it really is just a plain cover. (which usually doesn't leak, but then again...)

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Reply #8 - 03.01.15 at 23:45:35
 
Ah OK so its safe to take if off then?

 
 
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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #9 - 04.01.15 at 09:56:18
 
Yup, as I said, it's plain cover. You can see the backside of the (unloaded) cam chain guide, but the cover is only there for manufacturing reasons. As the front and rear cylinder are exactly the same, but the tensioners are in different positions in relation to the cam chain, there was the necessity to have two openings. Out of which, one has to be blanked off, when not used.

No worries, it's not rocket science.

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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #10 - 02.02.15 at 11:32:16
 
hi , I also have this problem of the oil light coming on when its warming up and on acelerating and hills. have taken the oil sensor out and found that it is a tube with a float type setup, oil level drops float makes contact with the electrical contact in bottom. mine was filled with 30 years worth of oil sludge probaly giving false readings similar to a short.

 
 
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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #11 - 25.05.15 at 21:59:19
 
Hello again,
Long time it took - been a bit lazy and (excuses)  the weather has not really been perfect for driving...
Anyway, got the bike on the road the engine well cleaned, oil changed etc.
Found the leak! Cheesy
The oil comes from the starter motor assy! elieve it or not!
After only 100km it was clear. Everywhere else it was nice and dry but underneath the startermotor very wet!

Is this unusual or common!
Any ideas how hard this may be to fix?

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Pauli

 
 
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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #12 - 26.05.15 at 08:58:13
 
There should be an O-Ring on the neck of the starter to seal between crankcase and starter. It's the first time I've heard of this issue, but then again there's a first time for every fail.  Grin

 
 

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Re: Oil leak(s)
Reply #13 - 07.06.15 at 10:08:18
 
embarrassed
Now it is dry, no leaks!
I'm happy but this is also most embarrasing.
Guess what!
It must have happened at some point last summer when I changed the oil! The O-ring on the oil cap must have fallen off and I didn't notice! Finally I came to thing of this as an alternative for the oil leak cause!
Grin
In any case - Thanks for the help yyou guys have provided!
Pauli

 
 
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