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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #10 - 02.01.12 at 04:43:02
 
Quote from crazy cow on 01.01.12 at 19:36:10:
salut Séb et bonne année,

est il possible, que tu as oublié de nettoyer les robinettes à essence et les filtres au dessus du pointeau situé sous le bras de flotteur?

Olaf

Merci pour ta réponse mais oui j'ai bien tout nettoyé, par contre sur "Pri" je n'ai pas d'essence qui coule ni du robinet ni de la seconde ligne sur la droite qui est branché à la pipe d'admission du cylindre avant
peut-être ça vient de là ?

Par contre sur mon TR1 de 1981 je n'ai pas le clapet de commande de mélange..c'est normal ça ?


et je n'ai pas non plus ces carbus et la vis de ralentit est à l'extérieur (c'est des Hitachi)



 
 
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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #11 - 02.01.12 at 04:50:28
 
Quote from stefan stein on 01.01.12 at 13:21:34:
bonne année !

yes, if the membrane and the rest look like that, You got to replace it. Instead of replacing the whole fuel cock, You could buy a service kit. There are kits including the membrane and others who are not.

As I told You, in the bottom of the carb, means the carburettor bowl, are very fine channels. If these are blocked, the motor will not idle properly or not at all. After standing around for many years, I don't expect these channels to be o.k.. You got to clean them with thin wire and acetone, compresserd air ... .
Are there no holes in the carburettor membranes?
Another point: The motor will not idle when the carb holders don't fit properly. I think You would hear this breathing sound. But You should use a highly inflammable spray to make sure they fit tightly.

good luck

ST

Thanks for your response , you mean the 2 long copper line near the main jet that goes to the bottom of the bowl ?, i've cleaned them properly with a air compressor and can see light threw them.
cleaned the carbs 2 times with acetone & air...
the intake are properly fitted to the cylinder and carbs, and when i put fuel in the intake boot, the engine start well except don't keep idle must keep it @ 1500 tr/mn

for the repair kit of the fuel cock, here in Réunion is very bad time to find parts..! maybe the fuel cock easily findable...
i've got a virago fuel tank and think the same fuel cock fixed to it's...
thanks for your response

i'm nearly done but still can't start the bike properly...gggrr !!
maybe need to replace both carbs with mikuni or elses...
the intake boot are surfacely cracked but still no air can come, i've repaired them with strong glue for the outside (inside they are clean)

 
 
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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #12 - 02.01.12 at 10:43:46
 
Hi,

1. Forget about "le clapet de commande de mélange". It was good for nothing.

2. Yes, try this other fuel cock You got. It should work. If not, there are service kits on the internet.

3. most important: This channel that I'm talking about is inside the wall of the carburetor bowl. There is just a hole at the upper edge and another very tiny hole at the bottom to be seen. This is only for idling.

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Reply #13 - 02.01.12 at 20:37:50
 
Thanks Stefan for your response,
I'll double check the line inside the carbs bowl... i surely had missed it for sure Sad
i think I'm good to dismantle the both carbs another time !...arrrrgggg


i only own one fuel cock, i'll find another one new on the bay or elsewhere...or if someone have one to sell/..?

i've got a big oil leak in my fork too, so i need to order the dirt joints and seal joint i think...
another strange thing the front brakes bleed screw don't have any hole inside...never seen that before ! usally i turn 1/4 turn to bleed the DOT..but there need to take of the screw...
don't know how to service brake with this...? Huh

Many thanks for your help, much needed !
will post some picture soon of my tr1/81 when more cleaned..

 
 
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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #14 - 03.01.12 at 09:52:31
 
I think you are mixing things up a little bit.

The fuel tap works like this. In Position ON or RES, the tap is opened via vaccum from the intake manifold if the engine is running. The vaccum is run to the fuel tap via the slightly thinner rubber line. There should NO fuel run through that line in either position of the fuel tap. The fuel runs via the thicker rubber line into the carbs, in position ON or RES there should only run fuel if the engine is running (or if you suck on the thinner rubber line).

In position PRI (prime) the fuel should always run through the thicker line into the carbs, so this is the proper position to start an engine whose carbs have been dismounted or that has sat around for a longer while, because the carbs are then flooded with fresh fuel.

To check this, pull off the thicker rubber lines and turn the tap on PRI. The fuel must spurt out of the line quite strongly, it should not dripple. Otherwise, check and clean the fuel tap. Then refit the line and turn the tap on PRI again and try to start after a few seconds.

Then these channels in the wall of the floatbowl: I am 99% sure that they are "only" needed for the choke. If the engine is warm an running without choke, it takes its fuel via the idle jet that sits on the bottom side of the carb (under the floatbowl of course) besides the main jet.

Good Luck,
Georg

 
 

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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #15 - 03.01.12 at 10:00:46
 
Quote from cbass on 02.01.12 at 20:37:50:
another strange thing the front brakes bleed screw don't have any hole inside...never seen that before ! usally i turn 1/4 turn to bleed the DOT..but there need to take of the screw...

This machine seems to have been maintained by a real expert... I think he has broken the bleeding screw and has replaced it by a normal screw.

Bye,
Georg

 
 

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Reply #16 - 03.01.12 at 15:42:30
 
Thanks a lot George for all theses explanations about the "PRI" Fonction, i'm seeing a bit better now what it is...

Now another "great" things :
The starter motor doesn't engage anymore...a great ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiiii make him heard when i push the start button...so happy I am...
seem like there is a gearing that is dead or no more teeth..(a bit like me..)...
the starter motor run well but not engaging anymore the engine...
do you know what was fucked up by trying to start her too much with no result ??? arrrggggggggggggggg

i think i'm good to take of the left carter to see what's in..
thanks for your help


 
 
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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #17 - 07.01.12 at 12:18:34
 
Hi,

seems You got a ticket for the full version. Welcome to the TR1-Show.
After taking off the left carter You will find, behind a loose spring and some gears, the casing of the one way clutch, that belongs to the starter system.
My technical english is quite poor. But as nobody else makes a try ... .
This thing looks like a can. With some mechnical skills You can overhaul it.
Just open the can with pincers. You will find tiny springs and pin bolts inside. These bolts are damaged. If You find similar ones, You can replace them. The system will work again.
You are fucking far away there on Your island.

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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #18 - 07.01.12 at 13:08:59
 
I'll tell You another funny story: This one way clutch is not even needed with the TR1. That's the best thing about it.
Some people block it by putting srews just through the casing in the inside. Others prefer welding/soudage.
Personally, I fix it as described. Because sometimes the welding points break or the screws get loose, and You wouldn't want to have this kind of trouble inside the engine. There are enormous forces at work, while starting this engine. And the whole starting system is not fit for this job and therefor is the major cause of problems, the TR1's weakest point. It must have been constructed on monday morning by a person who was really sick a nd didn't know what he was doing at all.

so hang on,

ST

 
 

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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #19 - 07.01.12 at 17:16:49
 
Quote from stefan stein on 07.01.12 at 12:18:34:
My technical english is quite poor. But as nobody else makes a try ... .


Hehe. Wink Just look at this image: http://koblenz-net.de/~horn/2009_tr1_treffen/bilder/cimg0204.jpg
The f... starter clutch is the foremost thing under the left engine cover.

If you want to replace the worn out rollers within the clutch, look out for bearing rollers. I don't remember the dimensions right now, but a few years ago there where rollers available that had the right thickness but where 1mm to long and had to be grinded off a little bit.

You can also weld the clutch together, i did so with mine and it works good.

Bye,
Georg

 
 

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