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Colargol
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Re: Tr1 83mod starter issues
Reply #10 - 06.08.16 at 23:23:21
 
Thanks, Kevin.
Then I need to find out how to make sure the ring doesnt rotate. What I cant see is how the ring is supposed to, originally, be fixed? It is tight fit into were it is assembled, but nothing to hold it from mving around. Only thing is if it is the pressure from the starter when assembled, is supposed to be enough to tighten it..?

Looking at your solutions, again with noe experience:
If I should weld it, it has to be in the place where it is fitted in the video? It will not be possible to weld it on the starter.
And the hole-drilling seems like the easier solution, especially as I dont have any immediate access to a welding-machine.. Smiley

Do you think somehing glue-ish, locktite or similar could do the trick or be worth trying..?

Again; thanks for your help and patience!

Br
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Re: Tr1 83mod starter issues
Reply #11 - 07.08.16 at 10:21:21
 
Hey Roger, because of the location of the pieces they will get quite hot so any loctite/industrial glue will definitely have to be high temp resistant..

Hey Kevin you sound like you have a bit of experience with messing around with the starter ( or is it gathered knowledge from here and vtf? ) I am trying to work out which part would originally have held the outer ring. it was a press fit from factory but does the starter motor casing contribute anything to the fit? Is there a slight taper in the casing or was it just held by it's own outer casing? If so what does the shimming help?

I have one burned out starter from the Flying Anvil and one spinning one originally on the parts bike, only had the burned out one apart and I seem to remember shims in that one, just wondering if it would be worth putting them in the spinning one or should I try and hold the planetary in some other fashion..?

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Reply #12 - 07.08.16 at 11:06:35
 
https://www.tr1.de/technics/misc/starter.htm
Maybe this is helpful?
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Reply #13 - 07.08.16 at 13:03:25
 
Nice one, Ali. Smiley As Kevin says, this must be my problem, and as we agree on; there must have been something holding this in place from the beginning. I am tempted to try this before drilling or welding, so I will see if I can get ahold of the part. Thanks for the input on glue/locktite, rant! Will keep ypu posted!

 
 
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Reply #14 - 07.08.16 at 15:25:59
 
Part ordered. 2 Euros. Just need to wait until the seller (ebay) replies with the shipping cost.

 
 
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Re: Tr1 83mod starter issues
Reply #15 - 07.08.16 at 15:42:30
 
Don't leave us hanging here, have you the ebay link for the part? Smiley

 
 


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Reply #16 - 07.08.16 at 16:29:42
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1J7-17537-Y0-50-SPESSORE-SPINTA-YAMAHA-VIRAGO-750-BIG-BEAR-e-ALTRI-MODELLI-/161379381927?hash=item2592f5f2a7:g:QLQAAOxyoA1RQlI1

Sorry about that. Smiley Cheapest I found. Also some US suppliers promising free worldwide shipping, but when I tried to order, it was a very high price for shipping.

 
 
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Re: Tr1 83mod starter issues
Reply #17 - 07.08.16 at 16:51:53
 
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I have had this happen in two bikes I have owned. So it'd down to painful experience.

The outer ring was originally push fit into the starter housing. It is an interference fit so it was just pushed in. Glue is not an answer. I have known of people, through this forum, who have tack welded it. On two occasions I have drilled through the outer casing and into the ring and fitted a screw or small bolt. This has worked for many thousands of miles and is still holding strong. I think that is the cheapest and simplest solution.

You may wish to change the starter motor. If you do decide to change the starter motor buy the XV1100 starter motor. This is a four pole motor as opposed to the TR1 two pole motor. It is a much better solution and improves the bike starting. You will have to fit a slightly longer power cable to the motor but apart from that it is a direct replacement.

I checked on eBay and there are lots on sale. This is from a UK site: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-XV-1100-Virago-cast-wheel-1991-Arrowhead-Starter-Motor-/302021002759?hash=item4651dac607:g:BUkAAOSwtnpXkgsH

All the  best with the repair.

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Reply #18 - 07.08.16 at 23:06:51
 
Thanks for the tip about the XV1100 starter, Kevin. I am considering drilling the hole, but as I dont have the tap tools, and my neighbour is skeptical about letting me borrow his as he is not sure about cast iron and if there is a chance of destroying the tools, it would be a more pricey fix. Smiley

 
 
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Re: Tr1 83mod starter issues
Reply #19 - 08.08.16 at 10:09:50
 
I bet 5 Euro on the starter clutch.

 
 

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