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cbass
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New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
29.12.11 at 19:42:24
 
Hi, thanks for this forum and for the multi languages, it's very nice for me because i'm a french guy, leaving in Réunion Island, speaking a little english but no german at all...sorry Sad
i've just bought a TR1 from 1981 that didn't run for 10 years...outch
I've cleaned the both carb (chocolate inside !),
tried to start the bike, nearly idle but...no
the seller told me that she was working well before staying in his garage..
i've tested the candles (new) i've got power...
don't know why she doesn't start
(i'm working usually on Ducati bikes..and they always run well Wink
if you can give me some advise it'll be well taken !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks anyway
Séb


 
 
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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #1 - 30.12.11 at 12:17:27
 
Salut Seb,
un tel programme de traduction est grand, mais je parle français et anglais très bien, à cause de ma famille en Corse, mais ne peut pas écrire plus, mais il ya googel. Alors pardonnez la grammaire.

Pour votre question pourquoi commencer votre TR1 peut pas, il peut y avoir de nombreux points, mais après 10 ans de vie, est la première du gazogène à se décomposer complètement et nettoyer avec l'échographie, alors que vous devriez voir le dessin d'architecture du carburateur exactement ansehenm afin que vous et TOUS vis et les buses ausbaust avant le nettoyage. Parce que sous la MEMBRANE et le tube, il ya deux jets, on peut simplement manquer de tout.

Vous dites que vous avez le pouvoir vous mettre sur la machine, at-il été une batterie très complètement chargée, l'utilisation d'une voiture de commencer à lancer ce qui est nécessaire pour le TR1 20Amp d', et consommés très rapidement la puissance, avez-vous remplacé l'huile moteur complet ? Parce qu'après 10 ans peut être une masse dure, comme le sirop, qui a aussi son tour plus difficile. Fois la construction du filtre à air de telle sorte que le carburateur dans le premier Stratversuchen obtient correctement beaucoup d'air.
Traiter la machine comme une ancienne ducats, et de faire toutes les fois que vous feriez d'une vieille machine.
Plus vous nous donnez ici des informations, mieux nous pouvons vous aider.

bonne chance

 
 
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Reply #2 - 31.12.11 at 10:30:01
 
Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse en français Wink
j'ai nettoyé 2 fois complétement les 2 carburateurs
J'ai fait le jeux aux soupapes
j'ai branché une batterie de voiture en série avec une autre batterie neuve de 12A
pour essayé de la faire démarrer et toujours rien, ont dirait qu'elle va partir mais non
surement le démarreur ?
J'ai du courant aux bougies, les bobines ont l'air bonnes.
ce qui est étrange c'est que j'ai l'impression qu'il n'y a pas d'essence qui arrive dans les cylindres pourtant j'ai vraiment nettoyé tout les carburateurs...
Je ne comprend pas du tout pourquoi elle ne part pas Sad
Si vous avez des infos..??


in english :
THanks Odin for your french response, i've cleaned the carbs 2 times, checked the candles and there is power coming

i'm putting a brand new 12A batterie  + a car batterie to make her start
i've done the vavle clearance, no problems
it seem that there is no fuell coming inside the cylinders, candle don't smell petrols at all and they are dry...very strange ! and the carbs are very clean and fuell is coming to the carbs
i really don't get it why she doesn't start
maybe the starter motor ?

the old owner as made a switch to run the motor because the old one was dead, maybe with that...?
Many thanks anyway if you can help me with that ::... Sad Sad

 
 
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Re: New §Tr1 in my Garage, need !help ;)
Reply #3 - 31.12.11 at 11:20:18
 
Hello,

You should check the sparks. It's easily done. Just screw out the spark plugs, only one for the beginning. Connect the plug again and place it on top of the cylinder or near the frame. Then start the engine. You should see sparks coming frequently. If there are sparks, forget about the switches. Don't work on this too long, and be sure that the spark plugs stay in contact with some metal of the frame or engine because otherwise this may harm parts of the ignition system.
The battery You use has to have a certain capacity. With a too small battery the motor will not start, regardless of whatever batteries You place behind.
Are You sure that fuel is coming to the carbs? Did You clean all the jets? There are tiny channels in the bottom of the carbs. You got to clean them too. I would not use ultrasonic equipment, but lots of brake cleaner, a piece of thin wire and comp. air.
Did You try some spray while starting, just to see if the engine takes this?

good luck,

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Reply #4 - 31.12.11 at 11:41:46
 
Hi Stefan, thanks for your response,
ive checked and there is sparks on both plugs
when i put fuel directly inside the cylinder by removing the spark plugs and put them on again, the bike start well, but need to stay accelerated to idle...but start well..arrg  cry

then it's the fuel line where is the problem i think

i've cleaned very well the both carbs : all parts taken apart with air compressor and acetone
I've just cleaned the fuel switch, but what is the "Pri" position ?
someone told me that fuel must bleed on this position by the second line who goes to the intake boot (between F carbs and F cylinder) and there is no fuel bleeding on this position maybe that the faulty ?

 
 
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Reply #5 - 31.12.11 at 11:52:26
 
Hi,

the PRI-position is the only one where the fuel is free floating. All other psitions require vacuum for the fuel to flow. There is no position in which the fuel supply is really closed. As soon as the engine is running, it produces vacuum that sucks the fuel in.
If You don't see fuel running freely in position PRI, You got to disassemble and clean the part. What about the fuel tank? Is it rotten inside? Maybe use a fuel filter of sufficient capacity. Or is there an old fuel filter that causes problems?
You must excuse such questions, as I can not see for myself what is going on. But You seem quite close to get Your bike running.

hang on,
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Reply #6 - 31.12.11 at 12:05:24
 

by the way: The TR1 has two fuel cocks -- one for each carb. The hoses for the fuel supply run directly from the cock to the carb.
If You got only one, someone tried to "improve" the fuel system. Maybe You got a different fuel tank too. Can You see that there must have been a fuel cock on each side?

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Reply #7 - 31.12.11 at 17:21:53
 
I've taken apart the both old fuel filters, there is a tank from a Xv1000 Virago, not the original one
On the fuel line there is a separation with a sort of plastic "T" that goes to each carb
only one fuel cock on the right side
i've cleaned this fuel cock 2 times and on the PRI position still no fuel are coming out...then maybe i need to buy a new one...
the inside plastic things (don't now the name for a membrane in english...) seem pretty rusty and too thin...seem need replacement on this

when i put fuel by this line to the intake the bike start with no problems (except under 2000 Tr/mn it stop running..i must keep it high for her to keep idle well...)
i'm nearly to it, but still not.arrg
have a good end of the year and many thanks for all Wink
very much appreciated !  Wink

 
 
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Reply #8 - 01.01.12 at 13:21:34
 
bonne année !

yes, if the membrane and the rest look like that, You got to replace it. Instead of replacing the whole fuel cock, You could buy a service kit. There are kits including the membrane and others who are not.

As I told You, in the bottom of the carb, means the carburettor bowl, are very fine channels. If these are blocked, the motor will not idle properly or not at all. After standing around for many years, I don't expect these channels to be o.k.. You got to clean them with thin wire and acetone, compresserd air ... .
Are there no holes in the carburettor membranes?
Another point: The motor will not idle when the carb holders don't fit properly. I think You would hear this breathing sound. But You should use a highly inflammable spray to make sure they fit tightly.

good luck

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Reply #9 - 01.01.12 at 19:36:10
 
salut Séb et bonne année,

est il possible, que tu as oublié de nettoyer les robinettes à essence et les filtres au dessus du pointeau situé sous le bras de flotteur?

Olaf

 
 
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