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TR1 to 1100 conversion
25.02.13 at 20:15:28
 
Hello and help please.

I decided to pull my engine apart for the winter and repaint and polish it. I also took the decision to improve it a little and inmcrease the engine size to 1100.

To do that I purchased an XV1100 crankshaft, conrods, oil pump, barrels and pistons.

The crankshaft fitted perfectly. (Sepp said it would.) The crankshaft was complete with conrods so they fiitted at the same time. the oil pu,p fotted perfectly. I then fitted the 1100 pistons, they fitted perfectly as well. I repainted and honed the barrels these too fitted well. I then refurbished the heads. Sepp said that 750 heads would be the ideal for performance but I am more interested in the torque so stayed with the standard TR1 heads.

But when I tried to install the head on the barrels there are no cutouts for the gaskets. Neither the rubber oil seal around the timing chain nor the cyclinder head gasket has a cutout to locate the gaskets.......................... embarrassed

What can I do? Do I have to go for XV1100 heads do they have the cutouts rather than the barrels. Do I have to use the TR1 barrels with the XV1100 pistons. Are there completely different gaskets for the XV1100 barrel/head combination?

Has anyone done this build before? Can anyone advise what I should do? Thank you.

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Re: TR1 to 1100 conversion
Reply #1 - 25.02.13 at 20:36:33
 
Hey Kevin, if you can get 1100 barrels, take this one with the 1100 Gaskets, its much better.
When you take the 1000 barrels, you must take the gasket and the o-ring.
which one you take is not important for the head.
With the 750 Heads you have also more torque.  
By the way, in germany the 1000 gaskets are out of order in the moment!!! or for the whole future, i dont know!
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Reply #2 - 26.02.13 at 11:16:53
 
Hello Sepp

I will try to get hold of 1100 gaskets. If I find a source I will post it here to let others know.

Also, I couldn't find a pair of XV750 heads. But if I refit the TR1 now I can fit XV750 heads as a later project.

Thank you for your help. Much apprecaited.

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Reply #3 - 26.02.13 at 13:35:07
 
Hello Sepp

I have found a supplier of replica cyclinder head gaskets for the XV1100. They are M&P based in the UK. http://www.mandp.co.uk/

The gaskets are very specific to the year of manufacture of the bike the barrels came off. Almost every year has a different gasket. Luckily I know my barrels came of a 1992 bike so have ordered the gaskets.

Once again. Thank you for your help.  Smiley

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Re: TR1 to 1100 conversion
Reply #4 - 27.02.13 at 10:23:56
 
Hey Sepp,

isn't it possible to make a copper gasket for the cylinder head?

In the past I've made cylinder head gaskets out of thin copper sheet for some - ok, very old - motorcycles.

The gasket for the TR1 isn't simple, it would be very difficult. But I think it's better it's better to make a complicated gasket as no gasket to have.

 
 

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Reply #5 - 27.02.13 at 12:31:41
 
Die Flächendichtung der XV 1100 kann man natürlich auch selber machen, aus Alu oder Kupfer, mit
Stärke wie man will, logisch. Hab ich bei meinem 1200er Motor auch schon, da die Bohrung 102 mm
ist. Aber für Serie völliger Quatsch, die Kopfdichtung für die 11er gibt es ja und ist mehrfachverwendbar.
Für die alte Version TR 1 geht das nicht, da das wichtigste ist, daß Kopf und Zylinder auf "Block" gehen, also
zusammengeschraubt sind und das geht mit einem eingelegten Ring nicht. Nein übersetzen tue ich das nicht.............
Eine Flächendichtung auf den TR 1-Zylinder geht natürlich auch nicht.

Kdermy: all xv 1100 gaskets and also the gasket for the bt 1100 are the same.
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Reply #6 - 13.03.13 at 11:06:17
 
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I have received the XV1100 gaskets from M&P and they fit perfectly. I note that Sepp say that the gaskets for the XV1100 are the same for all years but Yamaha and M&P have different part numbers for the head haskets for each year. I agree with Sepp though. The head gaskets have to fir around the same five studs for all years. I was able to track down the year of my barrells and ordered for that year and the gaskets fitted.

Please see below a photo of the head gaskets in place.

The engine is back together and ready to go back into the frame.

Thank you for your input. I really do appreciate the international support for these bikes. Plus you taking the time out of your day to help me. Thank you

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Reply #7 - 13.03.13 at 11:10:39
 
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Reply #8 - 02.05.13 at 21:27:02
 
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The conversion has been completed. Thank you to Sepp and all the others that have helped me with advice and encouragement.

I took the opportunity to repaint and polish the engine. I also found a place to rechrome the exhaust. i did the front pipe first and it came up so well I had to do the rest of the exhaust as well.

I also fitted an XJ600 master cyclinder for the front brake. That made a considerable improvement.

I just had to rebadge it. The badges now read TR1100.

Thanks for all the help.
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Reply #9 - 02.05.13 at 21:32:19
 
New painted and polished 1100cc engine.

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Reply #10 - 02.05.13 at 21:33:09
 
Hello Kevin,

sounds great. What about a photograph of the bike?

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Reply #11 - 02.05.13 at 21:35:03
 
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Reply #12 - 03.05.13 at 08:55:32
 
New Badge and shiney exhausts

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Reply #13 - 03.05.13 at 11:12:30
 
You did a great job. Fine motorcycle. Much better than new.

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Re: TR1 to 1100 conversion
Reply #14 - 03.05.13 at 22:51:24
 
... and now the apparent question: Is a difference noticeable ? Is it torqueyer, stronger, revs cleaner ?

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Reply #15 - 13.05.13 at 18:07:40
 
Hello Greg

I am still running it in so haven't pushed it yet. But the immediate feeling is of more torque.

When I have run it in properly I will come back to you and let you know my impressions.

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Reply #16 - 13.05.13 at 20:14:28
 
kdermy - well done, looks good and think about much work.
It is torquer, sure but much more with 750 heads and opend exhaust.
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Reply #17 - 13.05.13 at 20:54:40
 
Sounds mighty tempting - especially the torquey-bit. As soon as mine is starting to use some oil (or the Winter is too long, which is more likely) I might venture down that route next year.

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Reply #18 - 07.06.13 at 07:27:14
 
Hi what year of xv750 heads fits to TR1?

Compression with orginal heads in TR1 is 1:8.3 and in xv750 engine it is 1:8.7 is that the reason for more power in 750 heads?

What is the best camshaft to TR1 with XV750 heads (any modification needed)?

How can i get compression more than 1:8.7??? im looking for 1:11 with Shell V-pover 99+ octain it should work right?  Smiley

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Reply #19 - 24.07.13 at 11:53:24
 
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The bike is now fully 'run in'. I was asked for my impressions of the bike with the increased capacity so here goes.

The difference is immediately noticable as you pull away. The torque is higher and the bike pulls moothly from very lower revs.

At 30mph, the typical urban speed limit, my bike used to feel as if it was struggling in 5th gear. I used to drop into 4th. With the increased engine capacity it is very comfortable in 5th gear at 30 mph.

At 60mph if I wanted to accelerate quickly I normally dropped into 4th, accelerated then went back up to 5th. Now I don't need to drop a gear.

The acceleration between 60mph to 80mph is also much improved. At 80mph it feels like it still wants to accelerate. The power delivery is also very tractable and smooth.

It feels as if there is an all round improvement to the power delivery. It is a nicer bike to drive.

I have kept the origibnal TR1 heads. Sepp says would be a further improvement if I fitted 750 heads. I think I may do that next winter. For the moment I will just enjoy driving.

I thought there must be a downside and I expected much worse fuel consumption. My TR1 used to do 56mpg, which is pretty good. I have just done a fuel consumption test over 180 miles and the current engine now does 64mpg.  I can only put the improved fuel consumption down to being able to use lower revs most of the time.

Thanks for all the support.

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Reply #20 - 24.07.13 at 21:43:38
 
Splendid info, sounds like I should start hunting down the bits I need then...

 
 

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Reply #21 - 25.07.13 at 15:39:22
 
Quote from kdemery on 24.07.13 at 11:53:24:
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[...] it is very comfortable in 5th gear at 30 mph.



This may be fun but, honestly, You should avoid such low revs, regarding the oil pressure and the oil supply to the upper parts of the motor. Don't allow the engine to drop under 3.000 rpm under normal conditions. I'm not talking about rolling down a slope, but just riding .

You really did a great job and much work. So enjoy the summer.

Hope to see You in France,

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