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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #20 - 10.10.19 at 20:40:29
 
Hi Patrick,
i think it´s called shifting Gate in english, that thing / axle that moves  the shift forks. Sepp uses the one of the TR.
But you have to use the forks from the Bt, they are a bit different in size.
By the way, for widening up the TR crankcase to make the Cylinders fit i used a very cheap rotating grinder  and my Makita- drilling machine, surely not state-of-art, but it worked fine,
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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #21 - 10.10.19 at 21:25:22
 
hello Ali,
Here the same , I used a hole saw (21euro) to make the holes in the TR1 crankcase !
I only have to use that /thing axle from the TR1 , the rest I can take from the BT1100, not including final drive gear of course ?
Would it be wise to use xv920 cylinder heads? can I also use no seal under the cylinder or is that too much?

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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #22 - 10.10.19 at 21:30:34
 
You'd have to measure the squish-gap. It's something I will certainly try with my new (BT-based) engine again. The base gasket is around 0.5mm compressed and I recall Sepp mentioning that he shortens BT-cylinders by about the amount, so it should be fine.

 
 

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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #23 - 10.10.19 at 22:21:41
 
What is the correct or minimum squish gap in mm ?
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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #24 - 10.10.19 at 23:14:03
 
When I measure the squish gap, do I have to measure the gap between the piston and the valves or is that not a problem with the xv920 cylinder head ? , because then I don't have to mount the camshaft chain and sprocket Roll Eyes

 
 

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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #25 - 12.10.19 at 07:57:06
 
From an engineer's point of view: everything above 1mm of gap isn't a squish gap, but a squish valley.  Wink My current XV1100 based engine come out at 1.1 and 1.25 (or there abouts) and runs notably cooler. (It was 1.6 and 1.75mm of squish before.)

Ideally you would want to aim for sub 1.00mm, as that's where the squish gap (again) becomes vastly more effective. I run an XV700 head with the small valves, so I was pretty confident about piston to valve clearance, but even then, I checked it with clay and the clearance was in the 1.5mm region, i.e. plenty. Not sure about the bigger valves. If I were you, I wouldn't chance it.

Hope this helps
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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #26 - 12.10.19 at 21:03:40
 
Okay, thanks Greg,

Maybe it is easier to adjust the clutch cover of the BT1100 a bit so it fits on the TR1 engine and then I can leave the clutch of the BT1100 as it is standard

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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #27 - 13.10.19 at 07:21:56
 
If the gasket matches, you should be able to bolt it on. (I may look a bit daft, with two styles of covers, but it should work.)

That being said, you can also convert to XV1100 covers (these often go cheap), you'll only need a spacer under the generator and pickup as they would be spaced out too far to get a reliable signal.

 
 

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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #28 - 13.10.19 at 10:55:39
 
Just a thought:
one advantage of the BT-Crank: it has much less rotating-weight, but Clutch and Flywheel (magnetic wheel, what ever it is called) is built really heavy instead.
To convert to a TR Clutch (Plate)  is simple, and the TR- Flywheel fits plug and play, and the TR-covers can be used, its not about Gramms, its  Kilogramms less,
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Re: TR1 With BT1100 crank
Reply #29 - 13.10.19 at 17:35:45
 
hey Ali ,

XV1000TR1 crank with one bearing: 11.1 kg , piston with axle:0.595 kg , clutch:4 kg , flywheel: 3.2 kg

BT1100 crank with one bearing: 9.6 kg ,piston with axle: 0.495 kg , clutch 4.25 kg , flywheel : 6.4 kg

then you have to add 2 plates to the clutch of the TR1, the difference is no longer great

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