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Top end maintenance
19.02.25 at 00:10:47
 
renewing cylinder gaskets, a minor oil leak on the lower end of rear cylinder. What else should I renew while on it? TR1. ’83, 95000 km in the meter, runs as a new one.

 
 

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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #1 - 19.02.25 at 08:58:30
 
Be sure that really the lower gasket is the cause and not the cam chain tensioner or the blind plug on the other side of the cylinder. Perhaps you can also seal the leak with dirko or some similar sealing agent. If you are working on the engine, clean the oil pump intake filter and drill the banjo bolt, which holds the 2 oil lines to the heads, to 2mm.

 
 

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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #2 - 19.02.25 at 10:18:46
 
Warum die Bohrung in der Doppelhohlschraube vergrößern (2mm)?

 
 

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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #3 - 19.02.25 at 11:30:34
 
Hallo Roel, it enhances the oil flow to the camshafts in the cylinder heads. Fitting the larger oil pump from the XV1100 is also a good idea.

 
 

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Reply #4 - 19.02.25 at 11:37:11
 
Leaks a couple of drops of oil when it cools down after a ride. Only after the engine has been hot. In the very center, front side of the rear cylinder. Bottom end.  

 
 

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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #5 - 19.02.25 at 15:07:18
 
Quote from hornschorsch on 19.02.25 at 11:30:34:
Hallo Roel, it enhances the oil flow to the camshafts in the cylinder heads. Fitting the larger oil pump from the XV1100 is also a good idea.


Geht das nicht zu Lasten der Ölmenge für die Hauptlager? Bei Yamaha in Japan gibt es keine so schlechten Konstrukteure.

 
 

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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #6 - 19.02.25 at 15:43:12
 
Not if you clean the intake filter of the oil pump or, even better, mount the larger oil pump from the 1100. I run the larger pump and the drilled bolt since many 10.000 kms. The engineers where surely not stupid but sometimes new findings arise... They also constructed the starter with only 2 brushes, newer models have the one with 4 brushes.

 
 

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Reply #7 - 19.02.25 at 18:42:37
 
So… no actual answer to my original question🤔 Anyone?

 
 

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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #8 - 19.02.25 at 18:55:58
 
Hello

In my opinion, if you really want/have to remove the cylinder, you should check whether the timing chain is already worn.
If nothing has ever been done to the engine, it would make sense to check also the cylinder track and valves for wear. If work is necessary there, it is of course also advisable to check the other cylinder and cylinder head.

However, if the engine has been running smoothly (almost like new), this is not necessarily necessary.


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Re: Top end maintenance
Reply #9 - 19.02.25 at 22:11:27
 
Good afternoon lasse mynttinen,
well, it would be a good idea to implement here some Picture of your problem. It would help to check up how deep your problem goes.

Basically, with an engine with 95000 km on the counter, it could be a good idea to change the Cam-Chains,
especially if you don't want to work much on your motor in the near future. Some things have already been mentioned.
First of all: What does the compression test look like? between 9.5 and 11 bar? The difference between the two cylinders should not be greater than 1 bar.

In summary:
a) Compression test before disassembling the motor
b) Renew timing chains
c) Install the oil pump of the XV1100 (Virago)
d) Clutch still OK? possibly renew it
e) When the cylinders have been removed, eventually hone them through slightly.
f) messure the Cylinder inner diameter and the outer diameter of the Pistons whether the pairing of both matches together.
  The Maintenance Manual gives you more information about it.
g) Check the Carburettors for proper conditions, are the different jets there where they belong to? Does the Diaphragmas are still in good Conditions?
h) If you have your motor in parts on your bench, clean all surfaces where gaskets, joints, etc. will come in contact with.
i) if you want to reinstall the cylinders DO NOT forget the O-Ring which come over the Cylinder Skirt. It is important to keep the Engine inner by-pass-gas inside the engine. Otherwise the gas will pass throu the Cylinder foot gasket by the time.
g) in General: Take your time, be carefull. In the end, it pays off.

Sources:
XV750 5G5 Maintenance Manual :         https://www.tr1.de/pages/technics_manual.php?key=XV750se&lng=eng
XV1000 5A8, 19T Maintenance Manual:  https://www.tr1.de/pages/technics_manual.php?key=XV1000&lng=eng

Spare Part List:  https://www.tr1.de/technics/microfiche/Parts_XV1000%2782-19T-EU_(en).pdf  for 5A8 in French avaiable, also.
Spare Parts Supply:
www.kedo.de
https://www.motorcyclespareparts.eu/de
or the well known Internet shop(s)

Be aware that some parts a limited available, because of the age of the Bike. Somtimes it is a challange.

Or alternatively, observe the whole thing carefully and take your time to get all the necessary components and gasket set. So that you have everything together when you start with the engine repair. Maybe in autumn or winter.

To work on the engine, it self, you have two options:
a) You remove the engine in one piece and put it on your workbench or
b) You remove the upper main frame and the entire front end.
It's just six screws and the usual stuff.

I have done that work last May on my Bike. After I had collected all aspected neccessary Items, I start with the work.
To give you an impression, here a collage of several Pictures and a very good self made tool.

Best Regards
Anja

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