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Loekm
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Reply #20 - 16.01.17 at 20:40:35
 
Hey,

Did you guys Raf and Sepp get my PM?  it seemed not to work Sad

Best regards,

Loek

 
 

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Reply #21 - 17.01.17 at 00:22:50
 
Hi Loek.

I was busy with my lathe in my Garage. I had to fit the air funnel on the dellortos.
The engine should still work  with damped and filtered air.

You have got an PM.

Regards

Ralf

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Reply #22 - 01.02.17 at 12:22:11
 
Jihaa,

The story goes on. I scored myself a very cheap "broken" and incomplete BT1100 engine.... state and milage unknown, so i hope cylinders and crank are good for building a "fast" tr1 engine Smiley

I'll post some pictures soon.

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Loek

 
 

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Reply #23 - 11.02.17 at 18:21:13
 
Hi Loek,

a BT1100 is good engine to start a new build up of a race engine. You can use the lighter crankshaft, the cylinders (nicasil plated instead of sleeves) and many other parts depending on their condition. The pistons are o.k but not good for a high compression ratio. Then you need something special made. I think that Sepp has new pistons on offer ?

In my old TR1 crankcase I found that the outer rings of the main bearings have rotated in the crankcase bore. The race inner ring on the right hand side shows lots of frictional corrosion.  
I changed the right main bearing from ball to a roller bearing. But then you have to add a turned distance ring between race outer ring and the crankcase bore. Finally I used Loctite 648 to fix the parts together. Now the thermal expansion of the crankshaft takes place inside the roller bearing and not between  crankshaft journal and race inner ring. Hopefully......

I have now almost finished my TR1  and going to start/check the engine next week. Then the dellortos will work up for the first time.

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Reply #24 - 11.02.17 at 18:23:47
 
Here are the pictures with my roller bearing conversion on primary drive side.

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Reply #25 - 17.06.17 at 22:22:51
 
Hi Ralf

How did the bearings turn out?
Thinking about doing the same on both side so I can use standard bearing sizes.
Yamaha asks ~130 euro per main bearing

 
 
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Reply #26 - 27.06.17 at 20:26:06
 
Hi BS,

I am just back from about 3600 km holiday touring with the TR1 around Scotland and the engine still turns quiet round and round and round......
There are no suspicious particles on the magnetic oil screw so I believe that this conversion works.
My intention was not to save money but to have a controlled non-located bearing on crankshaft main bearing. As you can see on my former pictures there was a lot of rust on the old crank journal because of its minor bearing play. Now the inner race of the roller bearing is fixed with loctite.

First I thought that the 90.000 km plus were the reason for wear, but then I could see the same signs of wear on the XVS1100 crank with only 12000 km......
The roller-bearing is also not cheap, something about 75 EUR.  
The other ball-bearing on the opposite side has a close fit, was still fine and is in use now on the XVS crank.

Groetjes  Wink


 

 
 

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